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Linrose said in October 21st, 2008 at 7:40 am

WARNING: LONG COMMENT ALERT! And, if you’re not a Christian, you’ll think this is really strange. OK, here goes:
Karen’s ideas make a lot of sense, and I adapted a novel I had already started, to the methods in her book (First Draft in 30 Days)and found it helpful. I’m still adjusting to working this way, since it’s not my natural style–but once, in College, the Lord spoke to me and said VERY CLEARLY “I’ll give you the paper.”
I was thinking about a paper I had to write about a medieval poem. Well, feeling astonished but curious I sat down with a pen and paper and proceeded to “write” (it was more like copy) a beautiful outline with all my points clearly delineated. (It was an amazing experience as the ideas just “floated” into my mind!) It was the first and last outline I wrote, but it perfectly proved the very point Karen makes, that the writing–after a GOOD outline–is almost ridiculously easy. That effortless paper was so good my professor gave me an A++ and told me to enter it in a prestigious academic contest. (Which I never did! Silly me.)
I wish I could take more credit for that wonderful paper, and I REALLY wish I had put to use the outline method ever after; alas, it is still not natural to me, and every time I tried, I ended up straying so far from my outline that I felt it hadn’t been worth my time to create it.
I’m going to press on, however, and use Karen’s book again, until I CAN write that way. Hey, if GOD uses the outline method, who am I to defer?
LOL
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Linore
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Tambra Kendall said in October 21st, 2008 at 6:21 pm

I have Karen’s book First Draft in 30 Days and yeah, I need the other one too.

I pulled some of the stuff Karen has in First Draft and sat down and did my Character sketches for NaNo.

Then I pulled out another piece of notebook paper and wrote down Story background (which I can use parts of to write my sucknopsis later)

I don’t write fast…yet. I have discovered if I set my old kitchen timer for 30 minutes I can write about 550 words. Which makes my NaNo goal within reach.

I have an outline with plot and pinch points, character sketches and the history/background of my town.

My goal is to have enough information to know where I’m going but have the flexibility to change cause I’m a pantser that needs direction.

Thank you, Karen!
Tambra Kendall
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karenwiesner said in October 22nd, 2008 at 12:30 pm

I spend a lot of time talking to authors privately about this and thought I should move it into the public forum.

The whole point of any writing method (including my own included in FIRST DRAFT IN 30 DAYS and FROM FIRST DRAFT TO FINISHED NOVEL) is to find out how you work best. If you’ve done that, CONGRATULATIONS!

If you haven’t, keep in mind first and foremost that an outline is for your own use. What do you need (and need to do) to make the story vivid in your mind?

With my two books, take as long as you need on all the worksheets and sketches. However, if you can’t seem to finish them, move on to something another step in the process. Try to continue progressing always. If you stall, work on another step. The more you work out, the clearer your story will be, and you will be able to fill in the last holes on those worksheets and sketches. And, if the worksheets don’t work for you and you prefer to just do free-form summaries, or even just work it all out in your formatted outline, you’re free to do what works best for you. Many of the worksheets are provided to give you help in pin-pointing problem areas. If you’re not having a problem in a certain area, you might want to skip certain worksheets and only use them if you’re running into problems. If you’re spending too much time on something that doesn’t seem to progress the story, move on to another step. You’re layering with all of this, building on what you’ve come up with, trying to develop it into something bigger and something that bonds.

I want to stress that you should avoid redundancy in this and all writing systems. The point is to have a clear picture of your characters (internal conflicts and goals and motivations), settings and plot conflicts. If you find yourself re-doing a lot of aspects from the worksheets, or coming up with information you just don’t need, avoid it. Just do what you need to do. What you find in my two books are designed to stimulate you to work through each step in order to come put with a detailed, scene-by-scene outline and novel. The entire goal of the system is to make sure you have everything you need to write instinctively. When you sit down to write the first draft, you should be able to start writing immediately because it’s all there in your outline, scene by scene.

I have a lot of experience writing books after having 55 of them published, with at least 15 more on the way, so I write instinctively. I immediately jump into writing the formatted outline. I don’t do worksheet sketches anymore because I can get a clear picture of everything during the course of my outlining. Only if I have problems do I go back and do the pre-writing aspects (i.e., fill out worksheets) of the system.

If you don’t feel like any of this is instinctive for you yet, go through the steps as I’ve set them down. But if you eventually get to the point where you don’t need anything but the formatted outline…well, that is the goal of this writing method. Only do what you need to to get that clear picture of the story, scene by scene.

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Stephanie Shackelford said in October 22nd, 2008 at 6:23 pm

I second Karen’s advice. Find out what works for you. Experiment. Pick the brains of other writers. Take what works and use it, discard the rest. We’ll be hearing from several other writers over the next few weeks, so you’ll get a glimpse at several methods. Stay tuned!

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Tambra Kendall said in October 23rd, 2008 at 12:09 pm

Hi Karen,

Using the 30 Days book, it jump started my muse into plotting. The questions you had in the book did it so I went on and wrote as much as I could.

Your book along with a few other books, never fail to get this pantser plotting. I’m a leap frog, combination plotter so your advice works great for me.

Thanks so much for sharing your knowledge and methods with us.

Best,
Tambra

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karenwiesner said in October 23rd, 2008 at 12:16 pm

I had someone ask me privately if NaNoWriMo has a specific schedule for partipants to follow. I don’t have the answer, though you can check their website http://www.nanowrimo.com/ for anything specific. Otherwise, I am going to post a recommendation in one of my later entries on the Routines for Writers blog. For now, if you’re figuring that you have to write 75,000 words total in 30 days, that comes out to 2500 words per day, which is 5 double spaced pages per day. If you don’t want to work weekends, it comes out to 3750 words each day, Monday – Friday, for 4 weeks, or 7 1/2 pages a day.

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Shirley Corder said in October 24th, 2008 at 6:02 am

The goal for NaNoWriMo is 50,000 words. Although I always aim far higher, the average words per day is only 1,667. Very doable!

Greetings from a cold wet S.Africa

Shirl

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Mary said in November 4th, 2008 at 1:21 am

I just wanted to say that I have Karen’s books and used First Draft in 30 Days to plan my project for NaNoWriMo.

Although it was a lot of work, I can already see the benefits of having such a thorough outline. It is wonderful heading over to the computer everyday, opening up my outline, looking at my daysheet and knowing exactly what I should be working on that day.

I do see some ways I can condense my outline for next time and tailor it to my own needs and writing style, but I don’t know that I could have been this organized without Karen’s system. Yay! :) Thanks, Karen, for such a great book!

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